I had this dream about two weeks ago and felt like I should wait for the syncs to pull it into the stream rather than me pushing it in. With the recent, um, dust up, around “work” and being lazy wherein our spicy friend Bill suggested WJT should alter his approach to syncs, I think I now have my cue. Here is the relevant part of the dream:
[I dreamed that Bill called me. We were chatting, catching up for a while. A natural lull occurred and then we had this conversation:]L: Hey, what do you think of WJT?
B: What?
L: I said what do you think of WJT? I like him.
B: Oh. Yeah I like him too. I just hope he’s more George than Jones. [in the dream I understood this to be a play on the name of late country singer George Jones]
George can mean “earth worker” which seems to align well with the ants and Bill’s talk of “putting in the work”. I mean there is no greater earth worker than an ant, I don’t think. Jones is a little harder but one interpretation is in reference to addiction or a craving. I think that is somewhat the essence of Bill’s recent admonitions: that syncing is not much of an end in and of itself. It should lead to something worthwhile and perhaps WJT has become too engrossed in the syncing itself. Addicted, even. Said another way: Bill thinks WJT is Jonesing too much for the syncs.
But that’s just one interpretation. There could be many.
After typing all that out I became curious if George Jones was known for having two dueling personas. I knew nothing about him except that he was a famous country singer once upon a time. Grok claims that is indeed the case and gave me this summary after I explained the context of the question:
George Jones, the legendary country singer, didn’t have dual personalities in the clinical sense, like a dissociative identity disorder diagnosis, but his life and behavior often gave the impression of a stark duality. Known as “The Possum,” he was a complex figure whose public persona and private struggles seemed to pull in opposite directions, which might tie into the “George than Jones” comment you mentioned earlier.
On one hand, Jones was a musical genius—his voice carried raw emotion, earning him titles like the greatest country singer of all time. Fans and peers adored his sincerity and vulnerability in songs like “He Stopped Loving Her Today.” That’s the “George” people often celebrated: soulful, authentic, a man who could make you feel every note.
On the other hand, his personal life was a mess, especially during his wilder years. He battled severe alcoholism and drug addiction, earning the nickname “No Show Jones” for missing gigs due to benders. He’d smash cars, shoot guns in fits of rage, and once famously rode a lawnmower to a liquor store when his wife hid his keys. His marriage to Tammy Wynette amplified the chaos—duets like “Golden Ring” masked a relationship full of fights and heartbreak. This side, the reckless and self-destructive “Jones,” became as legendary as his talent.
People close to him, like his bandmates or Wynette, often described him as two different men: sober George, who was shy and kind, versus drunk Jones, who was a tornado of trouble. He even leaned into this himself—later in life, he’d joke about his alter ego, “the old man,” as if it were a separate entity he couldn’t control.
So, no formal dual personality, but his life sure played out like a tug-of-war between brilliance and chaos. If the speaker in your quote knew of George Jones, they might hope the man they like has more of that heartfelt genius and less of the trainwreck tendencies.
I doubt all of that tracks perfectly well w WJT. He doesn’t seem the type to be riding the lawn mower to the liquor store, for example, but maybe it fits here in some symbolic sense? It does track with that Animalia L page.
You have a pretty rambunctious lion or two who made a huge mess and then laid down docile as can be. Very George Jones like, these two. I bet it might take some spicy prodding to get those lazy lions on their feet to clean up their mess. Maybe Bill’s dream comment is that he hopes WJT leans into the more constructive part of his persona rather than the mess maker. And let’s be honest, syncs are as messy as it gets (if you ask me)! Maybe spicy Bill came in a little hot but is right after all. Maybe it’s time to start building something out of that mess rather than interminably logging the journey. As my wife says every time I tell her about a sync: “ok, cool, but…what’s the point?”
Regardless, I hope you don’t take any of this as an attack, WJT. Like I said in the dream, I like you. (no homo)
WW
“What’s the point?” Yes.
So, I read this post as well as WJT’s response or take in his own post, and I think your take on Jones, or the negative aspect, is pretty solid and in fact William’s own take is complementary and brings some things into sharper focus, at least for me. It will also take us to that chapter you really like – 2 Nephi 27.
First, on the addictive part, it is no secret that some of WJT’s symbols have pointed to this. The dream where he was identified as a chainsmoker who couldn’t seem to quit, or even his experiment of wearing nicotine patches to see how they would impact his dreams. Nicotine patches are worn by addicts trying to quit smoking.
As I mentioned elsewhere, “Jones” was originally used for a very specific type of drug addiction – Heroin. Heroin itself is derived directly from Morphine. Morphine is named for the the god of sleep and dreams, Morphe, due to its sleep inducing properties. Interestingly, Heroin can be smoked.
WJT’s own associations with the name Jones would seem to confirm this take. In his post, he brought up the line of a Mr. Jones who has no idea what is going on – completely unaware. This will tie to 2 Nephi 27 in just a sec.
Before the sleep angle, though, during one of WJT’s nicotine induced dreams he found a dojo that gave him some kind of demonic power. Many other dreams he did not relate specifically, but alluded to generally, involved fistfights, anger, martial arts. So, this notion of “Fighting”.
This would also seem to tie back to a dream he shared from much earlier in which a voice that he associated with himself (by the letter G) had an underground “dojo” of sorts in which he and a man named Diego would fight. Diego, I had noted at the time, is another form of the name Jacob, who is Israel. William was dreaming of fighting Israel.
One other note before I get to 2 Nephi 27 in a follow up comment (to break this up): It is interesting to note that WJT references “thinness” and hunger in his latest post. A thin man running from a library. Depending on what we being eaten or read in that library, you would think the man might be full and satiated, but no, it was a thin man, and WJT specifically associated this with the notion of hunger. Thinness itself is also well noted for being a classic sign of Heroin addiction for many, due to loss of appetite or the want to eat.
OK, so will all of that, 2 Nephi 27 ,or the first part of it, comes into view….
WW
So, 2 Nephi 27 combines all of these elements: sleeping, being unaware, fighting against Israel (Zion), and being hungry. Here are the first few versus. Rather than me going on, take a read and see if that also sticks out to you, and you can look at the rest of the chapter as well:
“But, behold, in the last days, or in the days of the Gentiles—yea, behold all the nations of the Gentiles and also the Jews, both those who shall come upon this land and those who shall be upon other lands, yea, even upon all the lands of the earth, behold, they will be drunken with iniquity and all manner of abominations—
2 And when that day shall come they shall be visited of the Lord of Hosts, with thunder and with earthquake, and with a great noise, and with storm, and with tempest, and with the flame of devouring fire.
3 And all the nations that fight against Zion, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision; yea, it shall be unto them, even as unto a hungry man which dreameth, and behold he eateth but he awaketh and his soul is empty; or like unto a thirsty man which dreameth, and behold he drinketh but he awaketh and behold he is faint, and his soul hath appetite; yea, even so shall the multitude of all the nations be that fight against Mount Zion.
4 For behold, all ye that doeth iniquity, stay yourselves and wonder, for ye shall cry out, and cry; yea, ye shall be drunken but not with wine, ye shall stagger but not with strong drink.
5 For behold, the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep. For behold, ye have closed your eyes, and ye have rejected the prophets; and your rulers, and the seers hath he covered because of your iniquity.
WW
One other note from tonight:
In his latest post that referenced your dream about out conversation relating to George Jones, WJT also referenced the blog Vox Popoli/ Vox Day and I guess an AI story that is being generated over there. It featured a man named Frank Castle (Another Frank/ France/ Free Man reference, with an interesting last name) who kicks in a library door and performs apparent vigilante justice. WJT found this synchronistically interesting relative to his own dream from last night where he hid in a library on the 5th floor and someone kicked open the door.
That blog entry on the Vox Popoli site was titled “The Fourth Librarian”. It was followed up later with a post titled “The Fifth Librarian”, which was then immediately followed up with the funniest blog title given your post here: “A WORKING MAN wins”. That was great.
Apparently, there is a movie out right now called “A Working Man” which is winning the weekend box office race. I hadn’t heard of it. I looked it up just now, and the Google results gave me this title from the New York Post at the very top of the “Top Stories” captions/ links:
“‘A Working Man’ puts in the work to top opening day box office — while ‘Snow White’ continues to bomb”
WJT
That Fourth Librarian post was supposed to be written in the style of Chuck Dixon, author of the comic book on which A Working Man is based.
WW
This Vox Day guy is still working on this Working Man angle, having called out that the director of the movie and the main actor, Jason Statham, also did the movie called The Beekeeper.
I had highlighted that movie over on my blog, and the specific use of Fire in that movie, and Statham’s prolific use of it in order to protect “the Hive”.
In his last post on The Working Man, Vox Day included a random superhero from the 1980’s called the Red Hornet, who I’ve never heard of. It seems a clear link to both the Red Bee from WJT’s dream, and the Bee who I’ve called Eowyn. A Wasp isn’t a Bee, of course, but we took the same creative angle with Evangeline Lilly’s superhero character, The Wasp, and in support of this, it turns out the Red Hornet’s real name is Melinda, meaning “Honey” and related to other Bee names like Melissa. Even though a Bee isn’t technically a Wasp, they are from the same insect family, hymenoptera, which interestingly enough also includes ants.
Below the picture of the Red Hornet, Vox then goes into telling a story about a tower collapsing. Too funny.
More in a follow up comment….
WW
Immediately following his Working Man movie review, Vox wrote his most recent post simply titled “Beyond Byron”. I am not sure of the real intent of this, but give the content of the post and how he is apparently too toxic for agreeable society for AI to write in his style, perhaps it is a direct reference to Lord Byron. I am actually not sure of the reference
Even if not referencing that Byron, I read the title and instantly tied into the whole Working Man dialogue that happened over on WJT’s blog. Byron is the Being that WJT has specifically associated with in various ways in the past, and here we have a title after something about the Working Man about a Byron. Seemed to fit.
“Beyond” is applicable here, then, in my story. The word can mean quite a few things, but one in particular means “to pass someone’s comprehension”. Meaning, in this case, something is just beyond Byron’s ability to understand or comprehend – it is Beyond Byron – with Byron symbolically representing WJT here, in this case. This fits exactly with WJT’s mention of a Mr. Jones, who he called a “clueless square” without any understanding of what is happening.
Beyond also means, however, for something or someone else to be beyond the subject, in some cases having the figurative meaning of having moved on past the person or thing in some way.
This ties to William’s dream of the paper that he was going to go laminate which simply read “Too bad! We go”. What William seemed to have not noticed or at least publicly commented on, is that the phrase “Too bad” is the exact phrase I used in my reaction to his statement that he no longer had direct access to my posts and where I also said he hadn’t been “putting in work” even when he did have them. It also reflected the intent and spirit of where I ultimately ended up in that “Work” dialogue as to leaving his blog in the sense of no longer placing comments there or interacting with him directly on that site.
I can only speak for my own dreams and messages, but in dreams I have come to associate with our favorite group of Seven, messages are often given on cards, pieces of paper, or in other forms of writing. These Seven have also continued to collectively refer to themselves as “We”, it seems (and if I am right in that association, which is always an if). Thus, we can at least have the guess that the We who echoed my sentiments of “Too Bad” and indicated their intent to leave or go are these same Seven. It makes sense for a few reasons, at least to me.
Anyway, it is interesting that WJT wished to laminate the card. This potentially indicates the permanence of this intent – you don’t laminate things that you intend to change. Laminate itself is a reference to thin plates, and as the Nephites indicated in their own record keeping, things written on paper pass away and were forgotten, but that which is written on plates establish a permanent record. In modern usage, and with paper like WJT held, lamination is carried out by the use of a heat press which then creates a seal on the paper or card, protecting it from damage and ensuring the paper’s preservation.
The so what here? I see potentially some confirmation that it was a good decision to not comment on WJT’s blog anymore and that these sentiments are echoed by others beyond myself (or that they were even generated by them). Maybe my own current bias leads me to that conclusion, but that is how it is.
LEE
Each time I see the Mr Jones reference it makes me think of the popular Counting Crows song. It’s got some interesting references to telling each other fairy stories, Bob Dylan (who WJT references in his Mr Jones citation), “I wanna be a lion”, Maria (a name I associated with a stone for a time). Mr Jones seems likewise clueless in this song. His desires and priorities are off. Like Adam (the singer) says, they both want some of the same things but “we got different reasons”. Still, Adam thinks they’ll both be big stars in the end, especially if Mr Jones can figure out what he should truly want.
LEE
In researching the song I also came across the Mr Jones of Animal Farm. He is an alcoholic (addict) whose neglect results in the farm falling into a state of disrepair. That seems to map to WJT recently bringing up Joseph Smith’s last dream about his old farm. Mr Jones is eventually overthrown by his own animals and gets sent away, which leads to quite a bit of unpleasantness not unlike what we see at the end of that last dream of Joseph where the new owners slaughter each other in a bid to possess the dilapidated property.
If that Jones had been a George (earth worker) instead, his farm never would have faltered and those rascally pigs would never have succeeded in their coup.
William James Tychonievich
“Beyond Byron” is a reference to Caro Lamb’s famous description of Byron as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know,” with Vox implying that he himself out-Byrons Byron in this regard.
William James Tychonievich
Byron’s Christian name was George, by the way.